Timing the Stock Market vs. Timing the Bond Market - A Wealth of Common Sense (2024)

A reader asks:

I know it’s not feasible to consistently time the stock market. But what about the bond market? It’s expected that the Fed will raise rates throughout 2022 and maybe 2023 and then cut them again in the near future (possibly before the elections). Isn’t the following strategy an easy win: buy when rates get “high”, sell when back to 0%? I know those cycles aren’t supposed to be as short as they are now, but I don’t see much attention on this strategy and segment.

The bond market is certainly easier to handicap than the stock market in many ways.

Bonds are governed more by math than the stock market is.

You can try to predict stock market returns using some combination of dividends, earnings, GDP growth or a whole host of other factors but it’s impossible to forecast investor emotions.

And investor emotions, for better or worse, are what set valuations and how much investors are willing to pay for certain levels of dividends, earnings or GDP growth.

For example, earnings grew almost 10% per year in the 1970s but stock market returns were not great. Earnings grew less than 5% per year in the 1980s but returns were fantastic.

Timing the stock market is hard because it’s difficult to predict in the short run and sometimes the long run.

Long-term returns for high-quality bonds are fairly easy to predict because the most important factor is known in advance — the starting yield.

This chart shows the starting yield on 10 year treasury bonds along with the ensuing 10 year annual returns:

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That’s a pretty clean chart. The correlation between starting yields and 10 year returns is 0.92, meaning there is a very strong positive correlation here.

If you want to know what your future returns for bonds will be going out 5-10 years into the future, the starting yield will get you pretty darn close.

The problem is it’s not all that easy to predict what will happen to bonds in the meantime. Just look at the starting yields versus one year returns over this same time frame:

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It’s all over the map because of changes to interest rates, inflation, economic growth and investor preferences.

While long-term returns in bonds are governed by math, the short-term is still governed by emotions and economic uncertainty.

Timing the market is extremely difficult so if you’re going to do it you need some rules in place. The problem is execution will likely be difficult if the bond market doesn’t cooperate with your parameters.

Let’s say you decide to buy bonds when rates hit 5% and sell them when rates go under 1%. This seems like a fairly reasonable model given what’s going on with the market.

That range sounds pretty good right now but what if it’s completely off going forward?

What if the ceiling on yields is much higher than we think right now?

Or what if the floor is higher?

What if 0% is no longer the case for a while during a slowdown?

I looked at the distribution of 10 year treasury yields going back to 1945:

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Yields have only been 4% or lower about one-third of the time. It is possible rates are set up to stay much lower for much longer but that’s certainly not guaranteed.

What if rates are stuck in a range from 2% to 6%? Or 3% to 7%?

In that case you end up buying too early and never reach your sell trigger. It does seem possible the Fed will have to bring rates right back down during the next recession but I don’t know what that new level will be.

I do think investors are going to need to be more thoughtful about their fixed income exposure going forward.

In an environment of more volatile interest rates you have to be more considerate when it comes to duration, credit quality and shape of the yield curve when figuring out what it is you want to get out of the bond side of your portfolio.

Every position in your portfolio should have a job and the same is true for fixed income.

Are you looking exclusively for yield?

Do you prefer stability?

Are you in the market for total returns (income + price appreciation)?

It’s more important than ever to define what it is you’re looking for when it comes to bond exposure.

If you prefer to keep the volatility to the stock side of your portfolio, short-term bonds seem like a pretty good deal right now.

If you want to be more tactical it could make sense to take on more duration now that rates are higher and the Fed could push us into a recession.

But it’s important to remember that trying to time the bond market could add even more volatility to your portfolio and not in a good way.

Timing the bond market is probably easier than timing the stock market but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a slam dunk.

It’s much easier to predict the long-term returns on bonds than the short-term returns.

We spoke about this question on the latest edition of Portfolio Rescue:

Michael Batnick joined me as well to discuss questions about municipal bond funds, news vs. uncertainty during bear markets, finding a new job to be closer to family and some thoughts about buying a home in a difficult housing market.

If you have a question for the show, email us: AskTheCompoundShow@gmail.com

Further Reading:
Expected Returns For Bonds Are Finally Attractive

Here’s the podcast version of today’s show:

Timing the Stock Market vs. Timing the Bond Market - A Wealth of Common Sense (2024)

FAQs

Timing the Stock Market vs. Timing the Bond Market - A Wealth of Common Sense? ›

Timing the stock market is hard because it's difficult to predict in the short run and sometimes the long run. Long-term returns for high-quality bonds are fairly easy to predict because the most important factor is known in advance — the starting yield.

What is the difference between stock market and bond market? ›

The biggest difference between stocks and bonds is that with stocks, you own a small portion of a company, whereas with bonds, you loan a company or government money. Another difference is how they make money: stocks must grow in resale value, while bonds pay fixed interest over time.

What is the difference between timing the market and time in the market? ›

Potential for Higher Returns

And in regard to timing the market vs time in the market, this is the first large distinction between the two strategies. While time in the market relies on a passive buy-and-hold strategy, timing the market actively seeks out opportunities for higher gains.

Is timing the market a good idea? ›

In fact, even professionals who try to time the market usually fail. For instance, a report from S&P Dow Jones Indices showed that over a 20-year period ending in 2023, fewer than 10 percent of actively managed U.S. stock funds managed to beat the index. There is much potential to lose money when market timing.

Who said time in the market is better than timing the market? ›

“Time in the market beats timing the market – almost always,” wrote investment analyst Kenneth Fisher in an article for USA Today in 2018, giving passive investors a useful catchphrase.

What is the basic difference between a stock and a bond? ›

A stock is an investment in a company. Your investment (purchased in shares) can grow or decline based on the company's success. A bond is an investment in a company's or government's debt. After you purchase a bond, the entity develops a plan to repay the principal of your investment with interest.

What is the relation between bond and stock market? ›

Bond Yield and the Stock Market - Some Considerations

While there are exceptions, the equity markets have normally moved negatively with bond yields. That means as bond yields go down, the equity markets tend to outperform by a bigger margin and as bond yields go up equity markets tend to falter.

What does timing the stock market mean? ›

What Is Market Timing? Market timing is the act of moving investment money in or out of a financial market—or switching funds between asset classes—based on predictive methods. If investors can predict when the market will go up and down, they can make trades to turn that market move into a profit.

What is Warren Buffett's famous quote? ›

Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.

Why is time in the market more important than timing the market? ›

The reason for this is multifold, but the primary benefit of having “time in the market” is that you can take advantage of the power of compound interest. In a nutshell, the earlier you can get invested in the market, the more successful your investment plan will be.

What is the danger of timing the market? ›

Timing risk is the speculation that an investor enters into when trying to buy or sell a stock based on future price predictions. Timing risk explains the potential for missing out on beneficial movements in price due to an error in timing.

What is the biggest risk of market timing? ›

Investors who attempt to time the market may run the risk of missing periods of exceptional returns. Clearly, market timing can seriously diminish long-term performance if market volatility isn't managed properly.

Is Charles Schwab in financial trouble? ›

From August 2022 through March 2023, Charles Schwab lost deposits due to client cash sorting at a pace of $5.6 billion per month as yields on savings accounts or other safe short-term assets like certificates of deposits rose. These deposit outflow pressures slowed significantly following the regional banking crisis.

What does Warren Buffett say about timing the market? ›

As Warren Buffett once said, “The only value of stock forecasters is to make fortune-tellers look good.” The short-term direction of stock prices is close to random. But why? It all comes down to human psychology and the relationship between markets and volatility. Time in the market beats market timing every time.

What is the perfect market timing strategy? ›

A perfect market timing strategy needs to know, with certainty, the future returns of the assets that are eligible for investment. Armed with this information, the perfect market timing strategy always chooses the highest returning asset to invest in.

Why can't you time the market? ›

Market timing is difficult because many different investors are using their own strategies and trading on their own time, so to speak. This can cause delays in markets or confusion when an otherwise clear move might present itself and make timing difficult.

What is bond market in simple words? ›

A bond market is a marketplace for debt securities. This market covers both government-issued and corporate-issued debt securities. It allows capital to be transferred from savers or investors to issuers who want funds for projects or other operations.

What are three differences between stocks and bonds? ›

While stocks are ownership in a company, bonds are a loan to a company or government. Because they are a loan, with a set interest payment, a maturity date, and a face value that the borrower will repay, they tend to be far less volatile than stocks.

Can you lose money on bonds if held to maturity? ›

If you're holding the bond to maturity, the fluctuations won't matter—your interest payments and face value won't change. But if you buy and sell bonds, you'll need to keep in mind that the price you'll pay or receive is no longer the face value of the bond.

Do bonds rise when stocks fall? ›

In theory, rising stock prices draw investors away from bonds, causing bond prices to drop, as sellers lower prices to appeal to market participants. Since bond prices and bond yields move inversely, eventually, the falling bond prices would push the bond yields high enough to attract investors.

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